Utterly Mad
The Pit => General Discussion => Topic started by: Wheel-Son on March 04, 2015, 11:43:04 pm
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So, uh, this is a controversial topics thread... about anything that you may consider "controversial" but you can't talk about the forums. I'll start I guess...
I think crime is unneeded, but if I had to, I would rob a gas station if I needed to.
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Is murdering a murderer who kills murderers still murder?
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Is murdering a murderer who kills murderers still murder?
Technically, but I'll boo the prosecution at your trial.
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Jokes about horrible events in the past are OK, recent ones are bad.
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Circumcision. It's bullshit.
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YO. NOT COOL, WILSON -_-
Eh whatever I wasn't really gonna restart this anyways.
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It's okay guys, I got this.
Religion.
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Religion is wrong: Discuss!
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I like my religion! And I'm okay with everyone else having their own beliefs and whatnot.
I don't really think that it's forced down the throat of anyone too much these days and I hate all the complaints by people saying it is...I mean seriously.
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i respect religious people, and i wish that i could believe, i just cant. the concept doesnt sit well in my head, so i just stopped trying and said fuck it.
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I don't really think that it's forced down the throat of anyone too much these days and I hate all the complaints by people saying it is...I mean seriously.
Children of religious parents are often unfairly indoctrinated. Adults trying to shove their beliefs down other adults' throats is less common, because it's easier to teach it to young children who are easily influenced.
And, admittedly, It happens with atheism too. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indoctrination#Religious.2FAntireligious) (Just to show I'm not hating/picking on religion. :) )
I'm just glad my parents didn't do this, and let me develop my own beliefs.
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Well, if we're saying that we can also look at cultural aspects in general.
Though it's impossible to not indoctrinate a child with at least some of their culture.
That would require not talking to the child and that more often then not simply causes the child to die.
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Well, if we're saying that we can also look at cultural aspects in general.
I don't see how you made the jump from religious indoctrination to cultural indoctrination. Some cultural indoctrination is unavoidable, yes, but religious indoctrination isn't.
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Sure it is.
When a child wants to know where everything came from your response will shape their views. Even saying I dont know will lead them to various conclusions.
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Even saying I dont know will lead them to various conclusions.
What conclusions, exactly?
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Depends on the child.
One may decide that if their family doesnt know then there is nothing there to know.
One may decide that if the family doesn't know then someone must and go to search for answers.
One may just invent new knowledge and start a group.
It really just depends.
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Then the family member, instead of saying "I don't know", could encourage the child who asked the question to come to their own conclusions using available information. Thus, the parent doesn't push the child in any direction as to what to believe, therefore making it avoidable.
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i actually looked at all religions. i just found it all a bit silly. then again, everything is a bit silly, so take that as you will.
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The childs background still determines what information IS available.
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The childs background still determines what information IS available.
And he will come to the conclusion that makes the most sense to him based on that conclusion. Still better than indoctrination.
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My kid gets supplied with whatever accurate (or at least not completely bullshit) information is available from which to draw her own conclusions. I'm flawed in many ways and do not think I should form opinions for her, and think that had I been given that sort of opportunity, I'd be less flawed.
i actually looked at all religions. i just found it all a bit silly. then again, everything is a bit silly, so take that as you will.
Should check out discordianism. I felt the same way but have always been "spiritual"(to use the hippy term). Hailing Eris just seems to fit that mindset much better than a real religion.
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Ehhh, i dont want to actually do anything, and im about as unholy as you can get without being excommunicated by most religions.
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I used to believe in god when my dad didn't. I would always rub it in his face that he didn't believe, because I was a small child and small children are dicks. But as I grew older I stopped believing.
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First i believed, then i became an annoying atheist, and now i just don't care.
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Today I used a left-over Bible to start a fire to cook hot-dogs cause the power was out.
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Today I used a left-over Bible to start a fire to cook hot-dogs cause the power was out.
Now that's just disrespectful, man.
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You're right, I shoulda cooked pork-chops instead.
Jokes aside, I probably would've used notebook paper. Though it is just sitting there... so yellow-paged and flamable.
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i can speak from experience, that burning holy texts, even if pragmatic or accidental, is a BAD idea.
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i can speak from experience, that burning holy texts, even if pragmatic or accidental, is a BAD idea.
Now that's a story I want to hear.
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As a baptist I feel I should be offended, but I'm really not. Burning holy books is generally a bad idea though, a lot of people would take offense to it, and burning books is generally bad period.
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Burning books? You know...a tree died for you.
You know who else burned books? That's right, Hitler.
(Not to say you're Hitler. )
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i can speak from experience, that burning holy texts, even if pragmatic or accidental, is a BAD idea.
Now that's a story I want to hear.
ok, so we all have that one friend who is a complete and utter Dick. if you dont have that friend, then you probably are that friend. so, i was at a buddies house, and he was that friend. nice enough to me, but a poor decision maker and incredibly smooth talker. anyway, he was from a catholic family, hated it, and decided to burn his families bible while i was there. just pitched it in the oven. Im still amazed that the house didnt go up. anyway, his parents come home after being gone for a grand total of 10 minutes, in whcih time he burned it, and oh my god, the holy slam could be heard from space. his parents told me tojust left. no point in being there, as this was going to be a shitstorm (they believed me when i said i had nothing to do with it. im not nearly as much of an ass in person.). needless to say, he got the punishing of a lifetime. straight to school and back, no contact with the outside world whatsoever, and a ton of other shit i could never get out of him. bad idea my friend.
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You know who else burned books? Every major religion and and nation.
Though Hitler was a pretty good public speaker and I took some pointers from him.
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as much as Hitler was a dick, like you said, a wonderful public speaker. he managed to get an entire nation to back him almost 100%.
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My family is not really religious. I believe there is spirits and stuff, but I don't really believe there is a god. Honestly I mostly just don't care, believe what you want. My old neighbors would always try to get me to their damn mormon church, eeech.
There were 2 chances where I got a small pocket bible for free. I tried to read it and found it a real boring read and quit. From what I have heard it's a good story but I find it dry then again I only read at least the first 10 pages.
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I've read the entire bible, page for page, 3 times now. You're not missing much though I found the story where Lot's daughters rape him while he's drunk kinda hot though.
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I've read the entire bible, page for page, 3 times now. You're not missing much though I found the story where Lot's daughters rape him while he's drunk kinda hot though.
Lorknis, the man of every possible fetish. I remember the geth mate. that is why i dont skype at 4am anymore.
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Ah but Peri-kun we have to do that again sometime. Many lols were had that day.
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I found the story where Lot's daughters rape him while he's drunk kinda hot though.
I agree. It's really kinky.
It is entirely possible to fap to it.
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I found the story where Lot's daughters rape him while he's drunk kinda hot though.
I agree. It's really kinky.
Indeed, even if I prefer Loli there are certain bible stories that are hot.
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Ah but Peri-kun we have to do that again sometime. Many lols were had that day.
i look over what i nightpost everymorning, and im STILL wondering how i found that much in that short of a time. also, looking at my search history in the morning is always fun, ranging from "MechWarrior 2 mercs music bugs" to "if i put an urbanmech on top of another urbanmech, would that count as one mech in Solarus"
I have problems.
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I'm actually pretty sure it may count a Solarus...
Now for something Controversial... Incest is ok as long as they're not brother/sister.
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Now for something Controversial... Incest is ok as long as they're not brother/sister.
Agreed.
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Now for something Controversial... Incest is ok as long as they're not brother/sister.
Agreed.
No. Just no. It just squicks me out to a major degree.
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Aahahahhaha pls no
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Now for something Controversial... Incest is ok as long as they're not brother/sister.
Agreed.
No. Just no. It just squicks me out to a major degree.
You, of all people, are the one grossed out by this?
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Now for something Controversial... Incest is ok as long as they're not brother/sister.
Agreed.
No. Just no. It just squicks me out to a major degree.
You, of all people, are the one grossed out by this?
Dude, I am seriously fucked up in a lot of ways. But there are a few NO zones, one of which is incest. Hell, we should just make a Pr0n thread before this gets out of hand.
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Now for something Controversial... Incest is ok as long as they're not brother/sister.
Agreed.
No. Just no. It just squicks me out to a major degree.
You, of all people, are the one grossed out by this?
Dude, I am seriously fucked up in a lot of ways. But there are a few NO zones, one of which is incest. Hell, we should just make a Pr0n thread before this gets out of hand.
On it! :D
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Yeah...I don't think society sees it that way.
As a matter of fact I'm a member of society and I don't see it that way.
As another matter of fact...I find that rather repulsive in general and the idea of it indeed is highly...wrong.
By the way, someone today asked me if they were the only one who had really weird thoughts.
Go on and share your really weird murdering cannibalistic thoughts with Papa Exodus.
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Well shit, I got pissed off at Litpunk with him bringing back shit from the whole fiasco on the forums. I may have made it worse as I replied because he really angered me.
Now KA replied and says I spew bigoted crap. I can't just delete my post I posted in anger.
...Should I reply or just let it die?
[I think this is controversial enough to go here right?]
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Make a screen shot of the Pm and allow us to see it. I need more evidence [for personal reasons].
Also, goddamn it Bub just let it die. I had it under control.
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Well shit, I got pissed off at Litpunk with him bringing back shit from the whole fiasco on the forums. I may have made it worse as I replied because he really angered me.
Now KA replied and says I spew bigoted crap. I can't just delete my post I posted in anger.
...Should I reply or just let it die?
[I think this is controversial enough to go here right?]
give us the evidence, so we can hold it against him. and exactly what bigoted stuff was he speaking of?
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Ok, I will post it here. Feel free to just put this quote in the archive thread. I am just putting it here for the curious.
Here is the shit Litpunk started.
I apologize for all the outbursts. I thought it was a full scale second forum. I do not apologize to the people that tree to shut down the forums though. Thats not cool whatever your beef with the devs. Not cool. You are not forgiven >.>buba. Sorry everyone else though My bad.
What I said back, because that really pissed me off on an already kinda crappy day.
I apologize for all the outbursts. I thought it was a full scale second forum. I do not apologize to the people that (tried [I think?]) to shut down the forums though. (That's) not cool whatever your beef (was) with the devs(,) Not cool. You are not forgiven >.>( Bubba). Sorry everyone else though My bad.
^Fixed some spelling in ().
Locking MY threads is not "shutting down the forums" and they were unlocked real quick by the admins anyways. We never had any plans to ruin this forum, we just didn't agree to the moderators sudden new ideals and left. A lot of us still lurk in this forum, but the general discussion part of the forum has mostly all gone to the new forum.
FYI: We told you several times that this was not a "full scale second forum" and was not DDA related, but you seem to like ignoring us.
EDIT: Side note, me locking all my threads and bumping ancient ones may have been a stupid Idea. I am a man that does stupid shit. The thing is you are just being a dick about it, and that pisses me off.
Here is what KA replied
People don't actually own the threads for which they happen to be the OP. They may have caretaker privileges, sure, but they don't get to fuck over every other participant.
(You want to nuke your own *posts*, by all means.)
I've held my ideals for as long as I've participated on this forum, and for rather a while before then. Before, I had to decide whether it was worth pestering The Almighty Granola Bar every time someone such as yourself spewed bigoted crap. My not modding/filing a mod report for each and every time someone spews crap doesn't make the crap acceptable.
It means that I have things I'd rather be doing.
Here is the thread it came from
http://smf.cataclysmdda.com/index.php?topic=9756.msg226225 (http://smf.cataclysmdda.com/index.php?topic=9756.msg226225)
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And in response, I want you to send him a link to this video then call him a Cunt.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbG8DvRKoJw
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Litpunk is a punk. But, seriously? We can be a full forum too.
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And in response, I want you to send him a link to this video then call him a Cunt.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbG8DvRKoJw
I will post the video but calling him a cunt would probably be grounds for a ban. I am still attached to my account.
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Fair enough. Also I recommend everyone watch that video.
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*Highfives bubbadoo*
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Okay, just going to say this: Just ignore Littpunk. He seriously has overstepped on a few things and then brought some things up that he shouldn't have.
Okay, secondly because I've got some things to say: If I am to be honest here, you were in the wrong (not for locking the threads) when you put a bunch of posts up saying 'This thread is being moved to the new forum'. I think that particular thing could have been avoided with you just quietly locking the threads with nothing more said about it. But you were completely in the right when you wanted to close your threads.
Third: KA is biased against us, so I don't take anything he says seriously. What you said is not bigoted crap. Bigotry is something far different and that is accross the line again on his part.
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Okay, just going to say this: Just ignore Littpunk. He seriously has overstepped on a few things and then brought some things up that he shouldn't have.
Okay, secondly because I've got some things to say: If I am to be honest here, you were in the wrong (not for locking the threads) when you put a bunch of posts up saying 'This thread is being moved to the new forum'. I think that particular thing could have been avoided with you just quietly locking the threads with nothing more said about it. But you were completely in the right when you wanted to close your threads.
Third: KA is biased against us, so I don't take anything he says seriously. What you said is not bigoted crap. Bigotry is something far different and that is accross the line again on his part.
They are all fucknuts. back on topic, punishment for rapists. i think we should crush people who commit rape's genitals be crushed between two stones, like they did in ancient Rome. it would cut back on the amount for sure.
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Okay, just going to say this: Just ignore Littpunk. He seriously has overstepped on a few things and then brought some things up that he shouldn't have.
Okay, secondly because I've got some things to say: If I am to be honest here, you were in the wrong (not for locking the threads) when you put a bunch of posts up saying 'This thread is being moved to the new forum'. I think that particular thing could have been avoided with you just quietly locking the threads with nothing more said about it. But you were completely in the right when you wanted to close your threads.
Third: KA is biased against us, so I don't take anything he says seriously. What you said is not bigoted crap. Bigotry is something far different and that is accross the line again on his part.
They are all fucknuts. back on topic, punishment for rapists. i think we should crush people who commit rape's genitals be crushed between two stones, like they did in ancient Rome. it would cut back on the amount for sure.
Well a lot of foreign countries cut off the nuts of the rapist... but a lot of them also blame the woman who got raped too. :(
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Okay, just going to say this: Just ignore Littpunk. He seriously has overstepped on a few things and then brought some things up that he shouldn't have.
Okay, secondly because I've got some things to say: If I am to be honest here, you were in the wrong (not for locking the threads) when you put a bunch of posts up saying 'This thread is being moved to the new forum'. I think that particular thing could have been avoided with you just quietly locking the threads with nothing more said about it. But you were completely in the right when you wanted to close your threads.
Third: KA is biased against us, so I don't take anything he says seriously. What you said is not bigoted crap. Bigotry is something far different and that is accross the line again on his part.
They are all fucknuts. back on topic, punishment for rapists. i think we should crush people who commit rape's genitals be crushed between two stones, like they did in ancient Rome. it would cut back on the amount for sure.
Well a lot of foreign countries cut off the nuts of the rapist... but a lot of them also blame the woman who got raped too. :(
rape jsut sucks in every way. most countries suck too. victim blaming is a no-no for me.
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Guys, is having your Anonymous hacker friend break something stupid on the Internet illegal?
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Guys, is having your Anonymous hacker friend break something stupid on the Internet illegal?
Depends on how they did it! Was it through a DDoS? If so, very much illegal yes!
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Guys, is having your Anonymous hacker friend break something stupid on the Internet illegal?
Depends on how they did it! Was it through a DDoS? If so, very much illegal yes!
tell the story exodus, as long as no severe lasting damage was done, probably not. if you tear down a website for a day, not so much.
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Can't be bothered to watch. As I've said, I wish you all the best on your forum.
He won't even watch the fucking video.
Litppunk is actually trying to get KA to watch it, he agrees with the videos opinion!
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Maybe Litpunk and everyone else will understand now. Thunderfoot is certainly someone I look up to now...
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Ah, my favourite topic is here.
On the topic of rape I feel like I should clarify a few things before I say anything controversial. I don't agree with rape at all, no matter what form it's in and there is definitely no punishment cruel enough for it.
However for the controversial part, I feel some people make far too big a deal about rape. Knowing people who've been through it, some of them handled it incredibly well, being almost not bothered by it at all, while others bring it up almost constantly, especially in arguments. Yes, I know just how traumatic of an event it can be but that's absolutely no reason to tell absolutely everyone about it so you can use it to get your own way.
Also less controversial but it pisses me off to no end when people don't consider the idea that women can also be rapists too, far more often than anyone ever considers.
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New controversial topic:
Transgender bathrooms.
http://m.huffpost.com/us/news/transgender-bathrooms/
I see this thing as a.minefield there seems to be almost no satisfactory answer to it. I'd advocate making bathrooms unisex it's largely a matter of strip the sign off doors and remove urinals maybe knock out walls to join the two. But from my reading up on the idea that's a whole huge issue by its self.
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I don't even understand why we have urinals in the first place, they're horrible. Single sex toilets should still exist, especially at clubs and such, but they should also have unisex toilets.
My reasoning being that there are going to be females, and males too, uncomfortable with sharing a toilet room with another gender, usually for safety reasons in a situation like a club. At the same time unisex toilets are important because there are some who aren't sure which gendered toilet to use and some who don't really care.
Specifically at the gay and trans clubs I've been to it was disappointing to see they had no unisex bathrooms, as a male who had really long hair and very feminine features it was pretty irritating to be told to leave by staff when I walked into the female toilets with a friend, which is a normal thing to happen in gay and trans bars, without them even questioning if I was trans or not.
Basically the solution to me seems to just be have two single gendered toilet as we have for male and female and then have a unisex toilet so that nobody can complain.
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Ehh.... if someone is really going to sneak a peek, they will find a way anyway. im up for it.
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Really the only way to do unisex bathrooms without someone getting their knickers in a twist (for legitimate reasons) is single occupancy bathrooms, and building several small rooms is probably more expensive than building 2 big ones, which can cause some problems as far as money is concerned. Unisex bathrooms I feel are necessary though.
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We should just get rid of public toilets completely and make everyone wear adult diapers at all times.
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Going out with your mates to fucking shitdonalds and getting a shitty chicken ledg-shit that tastes of shit so you eat it then feel like shit cos it was shit, I was hungry as shit before that shit. Cool mayo-shit is shit.
McDonalds should be fucking destroyed and sold off and made into an insurance company, at least money tastes nice.
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I'm getting the vague feeling you were dissatisfied by McDonalds, not really a controversial topic, although I've never minded McDonalds just for the discussions sake.
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Its sub par fast food. Sonic (weird kinda drive through thing) that we have in town is WAY better. Still not gourmet, but pretty good. Ok, super controversy, what is your favorite soda. Cream soda here.
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McDonalds has always been pretty good for me, maybe I just have low standards for food, I will eat almost anything.
Cream Soda is pretty damn high up on the list for favourites, although Ginger Beer is good too, s'pecially that Old Jamacia Ginger Beer.
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Oh, I'll eat almost anything (garlic sand which, school food, rice with mustard (only once though), and pretty much anything else). I've actually been called an abomination for drinking mustard and taco sauce packets when I didn't have anything to put them on.
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I out sweet chilli sauce on a biscuit once because I had nothing else to put it on, it was odd but I had a few of them.
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Let's talk about Islam.
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Its just like any other religion. Don't be a dick about it and you will be just fine.
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Yeah, Islam is pretty cool so long as you're not a dick about it, there's certain parts of it that are somewhat outdated but some parts of the Islamic teachings are actually pretty cool.
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I think Islam is shit along with all other religions except for the one true god which is the Flying Spaghetti Monster. May his noodly appendage touch us all.
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I think Islam is shit along with all other religions except for the one true god which is the Flying Spaghetti Monster. May his noodly appendage touch us all.
"Hey, are you a Pastafarian? Because I would like to touch you with my... noodly appendage."
10/10 best pickup line of the year.
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Um, how about suicide. Suicide... pisses me off, It... bothers me how people think that killing themselves is a way to end their problems. Just... fuck, that is going to make people feel horrible and guilty. Jesus, I hate the word as well. The only way that I'll condone suicide is in an apocalypse, or if physical pain is unbearable.
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Suicide confuses me, why self eliminate when you can simply eliminate the problem. (Preferably without murder)
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People can kill themselves if they wish. It's their choice.
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Suicide depresses me, because usually all it does is make everyone close to you incredibly guilty and depressed. And this is coming from someone who has had severe suicidal thoughts a few times in my life. I just decided I didn't want my family to deal with the guilt of it. And as an atheist, the concept of death terrifies me to an insane degree, so I've got that suicide blocker too. Seriously, no matter how bad things seem, it can always get worse, so there is no point in self terminating. However, I do find the fact that suicide and attempted suicide were criminal offenses in the UK (at least I think it was the UK) appalling and EVIL. What a message to send a depressed person.
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Suicide is an easy way out, but it's not necessarily a good way out. It leaves a wake of very hurt people in it's wake. It just makes it worse for all the people around you. So much worse.
I think the UK policy on it is stupid as hell. If somebody is trying that, they need serious help, not criminal charges.
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Suicide is an easy way out, but it's not necessarily a good way out. It leaves a wake of very hurt people in it's wake. It just makes it worse for all the people around you. So much worse.
I think the UK policy on it is stupid as hell. If somebody is trying that, they need serious help, not criminal charges.
Were, not are. I believe that enough people called the bullshit that they stopped.
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Until 1961, suicide was punishable by death in Great Britain. :P
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Suicide is an easy way out, but it's not necessarily a good way out. It leaves a wake of very hurt people in it's wake. It just makes it worse for all the people around you. So much worse.
I think the UK policy on it is stupid as hell. If somebody is trying that, they need serious help, not criminal charges.
Exactly.
Speaking of death, after some tasty New Mexican food, me and my family were heading to the mall. On the car ride through a calm neighborhood my mind started to wander as it usually does, but it wasn't about Red Rivers or my next world that I can create, get lost in for months, eventually write about, and then move on.
It was simply about death, how sudden it is, and me hurting my brain trying to wrap my mind around nonexistence. Trying to understand "The Otherside" is like thinking of infinity or the size and scope of the universe, it gets to the point where just existing feels weird, like you're something more trapped in a fleshy prison. Its creepy and not very fun, and is also one of (like Perigrin) is a buffer from any form of selfharm.
Suicide is fucked up, and normally when people take the easy way out, they realize mid-way through that what they thought was unfixable is easily fixable. Your brain gets out of its funk to realize, give you a shot of adrenaline, and make you realize life ain't so bad. And it splits, either you fall back in the rut, or your life improves. Along with that people who are suicidal are aware that people will miss them, so even in their state they try and make themselves "disappear" before taking their life.
Depression is probably a worse killer then cancer. It fucks with you throughout your life, it comes out of nowhere, but unlike cancer, its mortality rate comes from people taking their own lives.
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Suicidal? Join the military!
If you're going to die, at least die for your country.
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Suicidal? Join the military!
If you're going to die, at least die for your country.
Pft good luck if you're in the US.
There are so much backlog of recruits and existing soldiers that becoming part of the military is really hard and competitive. [At least that is what I have heard.]
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Suicide isn't always just a way out of problems, sometimes people just don't want to live anymore and there's no good reason for it other than how their depression has affected them. Depression being a mental illness means it affects your brain and makes you think in ways that aren't always very logical or forces thoughts into your head that would make absolutely zero sense to someone without depression. It's not always that the person honestly sees a good reason to kill themselves, or they're seeing it as a way out of a problem, usually they just really don't want to carry on living anymore because they're tired of it, a lot of time a fear of death is all that's stopped them.
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Suicide is a clear sign of weakness
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Suicide as a result of depression is a clear sign of a mental illness
Suicide as a result of anything else could be for many different reasons, you can't just pin it all down to weakness.
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one true god which is the Flying Spaghetti Monster. May his noodly appendage touch us all.
That is some blasphemous shit. Even as a avid believer of Hastur The Unspeakable.
Speaking of fake-y or silly religions, did you know there are actually full on Cthulhu-esque cults that exist. There is an actual Esoteric Order of Dagon and I want to say that there is a circle that worships Shoggoths. Man, when I start writing horror stories, I hope I get cults started off of my books.
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Part of the Esoteric Order of Dagons ritual is to marry and bear or sire a child to a Deep One, but how the fuck?
Have you seen those things? I couldn't fuck that thing with a blindfold on.
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Have you seen those things? I couldn't fuck that thing with a blindfold on.
One does not fuck a Deep One, Deep ones fuck you.
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I'd join a Lovecraftian Cult.
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I'm gonna go find Rule 34 on Deep Ones and post it in the porn thread
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Part of the Esoteric Order of Dagons ritual is to marry and bear or sire a child to a Deep One, but how the fuck?
Have you seen those things? I couldn't fuck that thing with a blindfold on.
Oh yeah I remember that in Call of Cthulu: Dark Corners of the Earth.
You accidentally free a Deep One and first thing it does is kill it's human looking child.