Utterly Mad

Knowing Jorb and Loftar, they aren't going to bother with "their side" of it. Even before now, it was obvious that they gave less than a shit what the community thinks of them and even before now, I found them both to be the shittiest people Id ever encountered. they made a decent game though.

I know from experience that H&H requires a sizable time sink, as quiet a few simple tasks take quiet a bit of time. That being said, from what I've read, a lot of the quick and simple tasks were given a time rework. fishing for example. catching fish before was a fairly simple task that required about thirty minutes to catch enough fish to last a single person about a day or two or in game work, if they didn't drink any water or use any stamina recovery methods outside of natural recovery. (drinking water, sitting in chairs) Fishing in haven 2 takes a long time, even when fishing in good fish spots, you will be lucky to catch anything in half an hour.

In the old game, if you wanted to forage, it would usually take a sizable portion of your time. about a half an hour to fill your inventory with the things you actually wanted at a low skill level. hunting also takes time, more so if you're skills are low and the animal you are after is dangerous, and that food won't last long if you decide to go for making sausage so you can raise your stats. to get that sausage grinder though, you need hard metal. forget the massive hassle of testing cave walls or trying to use rust root to find a mine. the simple task of mining (which I did a huge amount of) requires long stretches of time and ungodly amounts of food. it takes, depending on the hardness of the wall, about a minute to get one unit of stone or ore from a wall. each wall USUALLY has 3 to 5 bits of material in it. I would dig around for something like two hours at a time as long as the food kept coming. when the food ran out, Id have to stop mining and start hunting. (this is with a village at my back btw)

I don't even know why im talking about all this. In a very round about way, I guess im saying that H&H gets pretty goddamn tedious, and while I once really liked it, Im not paying for tedium. They do need money, but I don't have it, and I certainly wouldn't pay for something under this payment model even if I did. I wish I'd known about it BEFORE my hype boner had ice water dumped on it.